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#1 12.16.11 7:50am

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School Committee approves business manager hire

"The search is on for a business manager for the School Department. The School Committee Tuesday voted unanimously to form a subcommittee consisting of board members Robert Ebstein and Steven Mendoza to create a job description, research other school districts and decide if the post should be full- or part-time."

http://www.telegram.com/article/2011121 … 112169960/

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#2 12.16.11 9:52pm

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

We need smaller class size.  Not another administrator.  What is the budget this year?  Are we going to have more money somehow?

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#3 12.16.11 11:48pm

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We needed an override for what exactly? Where is this money coming from?


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#4 12.18.11 9:25am

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

jmartin291 wrote:

Oh, one more thing - If you told me two weeks ago that I would be saying this now, I would never have believed you.  The School Department needs a business manager.  The folks in administration and on the School Committee are well-meaning and dilligent but they do not have the skill set necessary to track financials and present them in a manner consistent with making good financial decisions.


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#5 12.18.11 5:35pm

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

Tom C wrote:
jmartin291 wrote:

Oh, one more thing - If you told me two weeks ago that I would be saying this now, I would never have believed you.  The School Department needs a business manager.  The folks in administration and on the School Committee are well-meaning and dilligent but they do not have the skill set necessary to track financials and present them in a manner consistent with making good financial decisions.


First: I stand by my previous post - we need a business manager.  More to follow on that.

Second:  My hearing isn't what it used to be but at the meeting I THOUGHT I heard that the vote was to form a sub-committee, not to hire a business manager.  It is entirely possible that I missed that though.  Maybe the Superintendent can correct me here.


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#6 12.19.11 9:41am

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

John your hearing was correct, a sub-committee was being formed. Also the business manager position was said to be part-time not a full time position.

People questioned during the override for the schools to show why the override was needed and where was the money going.  A business manager would give the public the answers they need as to budgets, what is coming in and what is going out.   I agree we need smaller classrooms, but we also need someone who can manage the budget properly.

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#7 12.19.11 12:50pm

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I think a Business Manager is a great idea- But at the expense of what else?
There are things that need to be done first, second, third, etc. I am not sure the first thing should be the business manager position.


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#8 12.19.11 5:05pm

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

A sub-committee is being formed to look into it...  no ad has been placed, no pay scale has been set..  They are just looking into it.  There are many questions they need to answer before they can follow through.  Part of the sub-committee's job will be to get information from school districts that has a business manager.  The way the artice was put in the paper put everyone under that wrong impression..

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#9 12.21.11 12:17pm

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

Preface:  Some in the School Department might read what follows as an indictment of their job performance.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I believe that the vast majority of the folks in the School Department are competent and diligent in executing their job functions.  Some of what I describe below simply lies outside their demonstrated skill-set or job description.


The case for a business manager in the Clinton Public School Department

Based on the School Department's fiscal year (FY) 2010 financial statements, the Clinton Public School Department (CPS) is a $27 million dollar enterprise.

The CPS receives income to fund its operations from 10 different major sources, each source imposing its own application, tracking and reporting requirements.  Of the 10 sources, the allocation voted on at town meeting comprises approximately 64% of CPS's total budget based on FY 2010 numbers.  Additionally, within several of the major sources are multiple smaller "sub-sources" also requiring their own application, tracking and reporting requirements.  Moreover, many if not most of these sources require their funds to be spent only on specific programs or School Department functions.  The School Department does not necessarily have the latitude to reallocate funds between sources and/or accounts.

It was mentioned at a recent School Committee meeting (please don't ask me which) that CPS does not currently have a capital expenditure committee to plan future capital expenditure needs.  Buildings need major maintenance (roof replacements, heating/air conditioning/ventilation replacements, exterior upkeep, etc) during their life spans and these expenditures need to be planned for.  It does not appear that this type of planning is taking place.

Members of the School Committee have requested, multiple times, financial information from the School Department that has not been forthcoming.  (I base this in my observation of the School Committee meetings.  The information might have been provided via other means but given the repeated requests for the same information, it appears not.)  When financial information is provided (as was done by one of the Athletic Department Heads at the last meeting) it was not in a format that allowed School Committee members to determine all the sources of income received by the Athletic Department.  The information provided to the School Committee indicated that there was not a method within the School Department to track the various donations provided to the Athletic Department.  These donations, when received by various and sundry School Department members (teachers, administrators, coaches, etc.) were forwarded directly to the Town Accountant to be placed in the "donations" account.  It appeared that no one from the School Department has, as part of their job description, responsibility to track this information on a regular basis.

New initiatives presented to the School Committee do not appear to have been given the "cost/benefit" analysis needed to help the School Committee make good financial decisions.  For example, the School Committee was recently asked to authorize two "early release" days for the elementary school so that teachers and staff can prepare for an examination to be conducted by an accreditation organization. The "goal" of this examination is to have the elementary school "accredited".  The School Committee asked how much the accreditation would cost.  The School Department did not have hard numbers to provide the School Committee but said that accreditation would qualify the elementary school for additional grants and aid.  How much, however, was not discussed.  While the elementary school principal is undoubtedly a superb administrator and educator, conducting a cost-benefit analysis might not lie within her skill-set.  Moreover, the analysis needs to include not only the initial cost of accreditation but the costs in out-years of remaining accredited and the potential additional grants and aid that will be received as a result of obtaining and maintaining this accreditation.

The above are some examples of why the CPS needs a business manager.  This individual would be able to:
              -    provide cost-benefit data to the school committee (and school department) on current and new initiatives
              -    work with the School Committee to develop regular financial reports to keep the School Committee informed of the financial state of the School Department
              -    lead/participate in future planning committees/subcommittees to address the future needs of CPS, as well as develop the costs and potential funding strategies
              -    perform other job responsibilities.

For those who have read The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People in which tasks are divided into 4 quadrants – Urgent & Important, Urgent & Not Important, Not Urgent but Important, Not Urgent & Not Important, I think this falls into the "Not Urgent but Important" category. 

The school system will not shut down tomorrow if this position is not created and filled but failing to designate someone whose primary focus is on long-term financial issues within the School Department will continue to foster the "reactionary" management style currently being used by the School Department and might lead to less-than-optimal decision making and expenditure of funds on the part of the School Committee.

I believe the taxpayers would be well served by funding this position.

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#10 12.21.11 6:28pm

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

Mr. Martin,

I've been following along and also see the need for a business agent for the school system. It would most likely save as much money as it would cost to fund it. I would call it revenue neutral.

You have a great knack for numbers and tenacity in getting to the root of a problem, I think if they were to create this job you would be a great candidate for it.

Hope you think about it.

-Murph


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#11 12.22.11 12:49am

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

Murph,

Thank you but I think I have upset too many apple carts to be considered for ANY position in the town.

Frankly, I'm not looking for an elected, appointed or hired position. After my last public encounter with an elected official of the town I have decided against seeking any "position" in the Town. 

I'm just trying to learn how Town Government functions and I'm dragging all the folks who read this message board along with me for the bumpy ride. 

Hopefully when we convene for the next Town Meeting we might all be a little better informed and be able to ask better questions of the folks on the stage.

Thanks again Murph!


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#12 12.22.11 7:13pm

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

jmartin291 wrote:

I'm just trying to learn how Town Government functions and I'm dragging all the folks who read this message board along with me for the bumpy ride.



The ride may be bumpy but it sure is interesting. Thanks for driving!


jmartin291 wrote:

Hopefully when we convene for the next Town Meeting we might all be a little better informed and be able to ask better questions of the folks on the stage.

Looking forward to it!


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#13 12.23.11 5:53pm

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

John,

Excellent synopsis of why a business manager is needed.  Thanks for taking the time to present your thoughts on the matter. 

It comes down to this: you have to spend money to make money. 

Of course, where is the money going to come from that you need to spend in the first place, and how do you convince people to support it? 

One thing I think the schools are lacking right now is credibility with the taxpayer.  Until you get that, all of this discussion is for naught, unfortunately.

jmartin291 wrote:

Frankly, I'm not looking for an elected, appointed or hired position. After my last public encounter with an elected official of the town I have decided against seeking any "position" in the Town.

After being treated that way, if anything I would think it would give you added emphasis to want to change the status quo, the same old inward/backwards thinking, lack of respect for differing opinions exhibited by some on the BOS.

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#14 12.24.11 11:04am

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JRW wrote:

After being treated that way, if anything I would think it would give you added emphasis to want to change the status quo, the same old inward/backwards thinking, lack of respect for differing opinions exhibited by some on the BOS.

I am just 6 months in to this iteration of my self-imposed civics project of learning how the Town runs so I might be premature in stating this.

In watching how the School Committee, Board of Selectmen and, to a MUCH lesser extent, the Finance Committee (I only observed one or two meetings of the FC.) I think the Town would need someone with Churchill's charisma and gravitas to change the way it operates.

New ideas tend to be dismissed out of hand ("We've tried that before."), ignored or shouted down by elected officials when being presented.

I DO hope I find the foregoing to be incorrect as I watch the second, more interesting, half of the fiscal year unfold.  Why "more interesting"?  This half of the year is when the "budgets" are formed in preparation for Town Meeting, elections are held, and Town Meeting is held.

As for "spending money to make money" it appears that with the departure and/or scheduled departures of teachers and administrators the School Department has enough money to fund many of the positions eliminated after the Prop 2 ½ failure.  The Superintendent stated during a School Committee meeting that all the personnel who were let go after the Prop 2 ½ failure have been brought back.  I will, nonetheless, be interested to learn how the sub-committee recommends we fund the Business Manager position.


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#15 12.31.11 10:41am

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To: Mr. Martin:  Thank you for staying the course.  The taxpayers need you.  I hope more join your ranks.

Where did the School Committee "find" the money to bring all of the sports back??  I understand the Boosters helped out but did not fund all of it. 

Where did the School Committee "find" the money to rehire everyone that was let go?

What about the teachers contract?  Has it been settled?

The School Dept does need a business manager because some programs are run by cash in envelopes in desks.

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#16 12.31.11 2:57pm

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I have no idea where Mr. Martin gets his information but it is incorrect.

What was said at a meeting last month was that the 4-5 paraprofessionals who were cut last year have slowly been rehired to other positions.  Paras work with special education students--if a need comes up or if additional SPED students come into the district, we are required to hire personnel to fit their IEP.  The 4-5 positions from last year are gone but the people are now back in new positions--in fact, perhaps 1-2 more have had to be hired because of overcrowded classes, etc.

That being said, the other 12 positions are GONE--how I wish they would come back!  Last year we cut an ELL math teacher at the middle school, a guidance counselor at the middle school, a social studies teacher at the high school, two summer help positions, three custodians (one in each building), two clerks, a nurse at the elementary school, and a data specialist in the central office--ALL are GONE and unless money falls out of the sky, we can't get them back.  There's probably a couple more positions I can't think of right now!

Please be sure to "filter" the information you receive, as I can't believe the "half truths" I read about here. 

Sorry to get carried away!

PS:  The teacher's contract has not been settled.

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#17 01.01.12 9:29am

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Mr. Ingano,

Thank you for correcting me but your listing of eliminated positions does not appear to match the minutes of the School Committee meeting held 7/12/2011 at which you told the School Committee that the following positions were eliminated:
4 Clerks
1 Librarian (High School)
1 Central Office Data Specialist
1 Special Education (SPED) teacher at the middle school
1 "English Language Learner" teacher at the middle school
3 Paraprofessionals.

You stated that you had brought back the paraprofessionals laid off after the prop 2 1/2 over ride failure during the School Committee meeting held 10/25/2011, not last month.  Maybe posting the minutes of that meeting on your website might be helpful.

Nonetheless, working from your numbers you state that you created 4 or 5 new salaried positions so, by your numbers, your department is down only 7 or 8 salaried positions now.  The fact that they are occupying "new" positions matters not to the cost of running your department unless these paraprofessionals took a cut in pay or were hired at a higher pay rate.  I am wondering if these "new" positions are additional to or included in the positions that were filled as described below.

YellowBrickRoad:
It appears that some of the "found" money might have come from attrition.  Since the June 6th meeting there have been the following:
2 Leaves of Absence that will not report back until 9/2012
5 Resignations
7 Retirements (4 effective after the 2011-2012 school year)
2 Maternity leaves (these were to be covered by a consultant hired at $50 per hour and increasing another staff member from working at a 60% "Full Time Equivalent" (FTE) rate to a 80% FTE rate.)

Of the leaves of absence, one was to be filled by a paraprofessional from the elementary school and another paraprofessional was to be hired to fill that vacated elementary school paraprofessional position.

Of the resignations, the SPED director has been replaced.  I do not know if the new SPED director is earning more or less than the previous SPED director and cannot, therefore, assess the financial impact of this change.  No other information about replacements for the remaining vacancies was made available during open session.

Of the retirements, one long term substitute was to be hired.  No other information about replacements for the remaining vacancies was made available during open session.

At the 8/23 2011 meeting Mr. Ingano stated that because of the "unanticipated retirements" of individuals at the higher end of the pay scale he would have money to bring back the high school librarian (A position that, it was later found out, should not have been cut.  How the decision was made to cut the high school librarian could be the subject of another thread.) and a middle school clerk.  I'll point out that at least the librarian's position was one of the ones originally cut (per the minutes of the 7/12/2011 School Committee meeting) and has been restored (per the minutes of the 8/23/2011 meeting.)  Unless the middle school clerk is occupying a "new" position as well this is another position that was "restored".

During the 10/25/2011 School Committee meeting Mr Ingano said that the school department underestimated the amount of special education money (circuit breaker funds) the district would receive by about $68,000 and this allowed him to add three staff members to the elementary school. There was, however, NO discussion about how these positions might be funded next year if the grant money was not, again, forthcoming.

At the 10/11/2011 meeting Mr. Ingano stated that he was able to bring back "department chairs" at a cost of $35,000 from "grant money" received.   The "department chair" positions are a collateral duty for existing teachers/administrators, not new positions. Again, no discussion about how to fund this expense on an ongoing basis took place.

All of the above can be verified by referring to the minutes of the School Committee meetings, except the 10/25/2011 meeting.  Those minutes have not been posted.  I referred to my notes from that meeting in presenting the above information.

As far as employee head-count, it would be interesting to see the following numbers:
     1)  Just prior to the elimination of the 11 positions described above:
            a.    The number of staff positions (instructional and administrative) in the school department
            b. The number of those positions filled
            c. The total annual salary of the school department assuming that all the staff positions were filled
            d. The total annual salary of the filled positions
     2) As currently structured/staffed:
           a. The number of positions in the school department
           b. The number of positions filled in the school department
           c. The total annual salary of the school department assuming that all the staff positions are filled
           d. The total annual salary of the filled positions

Mr. Ingano, if you are still reading, can you provide this information? Maybe this information will clear up some of the "half truths" to which you alluded.

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#18 01.01.12 7:39pm

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John-
A lot of this information can be found in the school budget for 2011-2012 as well as the 2010-2011. I have both if you need them and would like to compare. It lists all salaried positions


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#19 01.01.12 8:08pm

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Thanks Mariah.

I'm not sure that the data to which you refer would have the head count information and actual verses budgeted salary information for the points in time requested.

It would be nice if the School Department's input for the FY 2010 Town Report could be incorporated into the "draft" report available on the Town's website.  That might provide some of the head count data for 2010.


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#20 01.01.12 8:34pm

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John:  A lot went on with the budget this summer after July. Your list of cuts in July is very accurate--except it does not account for lost positions due to attrition:

Bob retired from the guidance position at the middle school and was not replaced; I forgot all about the Title I reading specialist at the elementary school--retired and not replaced; you're forgetting that we have to stay in compliance with the state when it comes to special education--we have absolutely no choice about it and so the day we start school, we are often already "over budgeted".  We cannot say "no" if a student's IEP calls for a one-on-one, etc.  My reason for saying these are NEW jobs is that we combined resources, etc. when we laid off the 3 paras; however, since then, other positions have been required and per their contract, we have recalled them, one by one.  You're right, financially, it doesn't matter--I just wanted to inform you that we would not have laid off three paras only to put them back into their same jobs a few months later--these are new positions.  If we have new positions, they are in the SPED area, no where else.

Two clerks were let go (CES and CHS) and the athletic department clerk; one custodian passed away and was not replaced; one retired and one moved away--both of them were not replaced.  After resolving one grievance soon, we will have TWO custodians in each building at night--last year we had three in each building at night.

As far as the maternity leaves, don't forget we're paying these people (sick days) AND we're paying the subs that replace them.
Let's not forget that attrition doesn't help nearly as much as people think--someone retires at, let's say, $75,000 (that would be 35 years or so with at least one Master's); we hire a new person at a beginning salary of around $40,000 (depending upon experience and education); that retiree, by contract, is allowed a $29,000 sick leave buyback (to be paid within three years); if you do the math, that's a net gain, ultimately, of $6,000--not a lot to build new programs, etc.  Don't forget that sometimes these people on leave are replaced by paras; however, THAT PARA has to be replaced because they are providing services to SPED students that must be offered.  The new SPED Director was hired at a lower rate than the previous one.

According to your original list (from July) the final real tally of cuts was THREE clerks, one central office person, one ELL math teacher, and the three para positions; during the summer, as others left (like the custodians) they were not replaced; AND your list does not include any retirees--and they were not replaced either, or the two summer helpers.

Bottom line, I think the discrepancy is the list of "eliminated positions" in July vs. "lost positions" as seen in September.

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Tinkertoys wrote:

John:  A lot went on with the budget this summer after July. Your list of cuts in July is very accurate--except it does not account for lost positions due to attrition:

My intention was not to identify "attrition" (although I did in my response to YellowBrickRoad, later in my post) but to point out that the Librarian and a clerk were "cuts" whose positions were "restored".  Of the original 11 cuts, these two positions have been restored as you stated at the 8/23/2011 School Committee meeting.

Tinkertoys wrote:

Bob retired from the guidance position at the middle school and was not replaced; I forgot all about the Title I reading specialist at the elementary school--retired and not replaced; you're forgetting that we have to stay in compliance with the state when it comes to special education--we have absolutely no choice about it and so the day we start school, we are often already "over budgeted".  We cannot say "no" if a student's IEP calls for a one-on-one, etc.  My reason for saying these are NEW jobs is that we combined resources, etc. when we laid off the 3 paras; however, since then, other positions have been required and per their contract, we have recalled them, one by one.  You're right, financially, it doesn't matter--I just wanted to inform you that we would not have laid off three paras only to put them back into their same jobs a few months later--these are new positions.  If we have new positions, they are in the SPED area, nowhere else.

Again, the reduction in head count required by the prop 2 ½ failure of 11 individuals is now only 9 as the Librarian, and clerk have been returned to the school's head count.

Tinkertoys wrote:

Two clerks were let go (CES and CHS) and the athletic department clerk; one custodian passed away and was not replaced; one retired and one moved away--both of them were not replaced.  After resolving one grievance soon, we will have TWO custodians in each building at night--last year we had three in each building at night.

The CES, CHS and athletic department clerks were 3 of the 4 clerks let go under the prop 2 ½ reductions, were they not?

Tinkertoys wrote:

Let's not forget that attrition doesn't help nearly as much as people think--someone retires at, let's say, $75,000 (that would be 35 years or so with at least one Master's); we hire a new person at a beginning salary of around $40,000 (depending upon experience and education); that retiree, by contract, is allowed a $29,000 sick leave buyback (to be paid within three years); if you do the math, that's a net gain, ultimately, of $6,000--not a lot to build new programs, etc.  Don't forget that sometimes these people on leave are replaced by paras; however, THAT PARA has to be replaced because they are providing services to SPED students that must be offered.  The new SPED Director was hired at a lower rate than the previous one.

Nonetheless you said at the 8/23/2011 School Committee meeting that retirements allowed you to bring back two of the 11 cut positions.

Tinkertoys wrote:

According to your original list (from July) the final real tally of cuts was THREE clerks, one central office person, one ELL math teacher, and the three para positions; during the summer, as others left (like the custodians) they were not replaced; AND your list does not include any retirees--and they were not replaced either, or the two summer helpers.

Bottom line, I think the discrepancy is the list of "eliminated positions" in July vs. "lost positions" as seen in September.

I agree that there is much confusion here.  Let's not confuse the 11 positions cut in response to the Prop 2 ½ override failure with attrition. 

Attrition, I will grant you, is a management challenge in any organization as it varies from year to year.  I am sure that the School Department plans for retirements and attempts to project resignations and leaves of absence and has created a "standard operating procedure" for dealing with unexpected losses during the year.  I brought up attrition only because you used it as a means to bring back two positions previously eliminated.

If I understand you correctly, the three paraprofessionals returned to service were placed in "new" positions required by new SPED requirements.  As with attrition, I imagine that changes in SPED requirements are also a management challenge for which the School Department plans and has response plans to manage unexpected requirements.

From your new list of eliminated positions it appears that the SPED teacher at the middle school was also restored but I see no note of this being done in any of the School Committee meeting minutes.  Can you clarify?

It might go a long way to clarify the School Department's current staffing position by providing the data requested at the end of my post of earlier today.


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#22 01.02.12 2:11am

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Yellow Brick Road you made this comment

"Where did the School Committee "find" the money to bring all of the sports back??  I understand the Boosters helped out but did not fund all of it."


I would like to clarify something, the boosters helped out with sports by covering the transportation costs for 3 varsity sports during the fall, also there were donations made by community members along with fundraising events.  Money was not found, people worked to obtain the money.  The main area where money was obtained was by having a gate at night field hockey, soccer and football games.  I know this because I volunteered my time to work the gate at the girls field hockey and boys and girls soccer games.  I did this as a parent of a football player, I was willing to take time away from my schedule in order to help the athletic program so sports programs could be saved and kids would have the opportunity to play sports.  I believe if parents from the other teams volunteered their time to work the gates at sporting events, that revenue helps the athletic department.  I truly believe sports is an important aspect of education, it encourages students to stay in the classroom so they can be eligible to play sports.  It teaches sportsmanship, respect and working with others.  All of these are lessons these kids will take with them through life..  Money wasn't found, it was earned though fundraising ideas, community and people volunteering so that some sports could be reinstated.  The boosters do what they can but parents need to give their time also.

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

Mr. Ingano,

One additional question.

When deciding what positions would be cut if the prop 2 ½ override failed did you include in your calculations the number of  positions that would not be filled after retirements and resignations this fiscal year?


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#24 01.02.12 10:36am

Tinkertoys
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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

Yes, John.

We desperately needed positions like a guidance counselor at CMS but since we had to make massive cuts, we eliminated that position through attrition.  IF we knew about resignations (or retirements) we took that into consideration.

Do not think for one minute that we necessarily know these things as the budget is being created--some people keep it "a secret" until the last minute.

Also, yes--the CMS sped teacher was recently restored because we were in non-compliance with class size at CMS; a waiver could not be obtained, so we had to hire a person--the person who was eliminated loved CMS and although had a new job elsewhere, came back to us.

Don't forget John that I cut the budget by $300,000 to start; then, after the override failed, I had to cut it another $600,000.
Yes, the three clerks were the athletic clerk, CES and CHS.

I'm done--thank you--I only wanted to make sure the few people who might believe a statement like "ALL the personnel who were let go with the failure of the override are now back" is not true--and it's not true and never was.

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#25 01.03.12 2:07am

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Re: School Committee approves business manager hire

To all... I think I asked perfectly reasonable questions...  If you disagree, please feel free to "impact calibrate" me.

We can do this the easy way or the hard way Mr. Ingano.

Based on the 2009 Annual Report of the Town Offices (your department's input has not yet been incorporated into the 2010 DRAFT report available on the Town Website - you need to attend to this as your 2010 books were required to be closed as of March 2011) you had a total of 288 "administrative staff".

How many total staff did the School Department have just prior to your cuts in response to the prop 2 1/2 override failure and how many staff did the School Department have as of 12/31/2011?

The "easy" way is that you respond here.  The hard way is that on Wednesday morning I mail to you a "Freedom of Information Act" request that requires your response in 10 days.  (Be advised that your department missed the deadline of my request for your Department's financial records.)

Absent a response from your department I will forward a complaint to the Department of Public Records.

If you do not respond here, I will post your response to the Freedom of Information Act request here and submit an article to the Worcester Telegram/Item concerning this issue unless their reporters pick this up on their own.

Your choice Mr. Ingano…

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