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#26 04.13.08 3:17pm

Julie
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Re: 40 Caves ?

JoelF wrote:
Ken wrote:
JoelF wrote:

So that would be one of the following:
May 4th
May 18th
May 25th
Any date better for others?

Personally, I can do the 4th and the 25th, but not until 1pm or so, as I work Sunday mornings. May 18th is the Clinton Greenway Conservation Trust's Annual River Walk (also a great hike for anyone interested), which I will be helping with.

At this point it looks like the 4th is best for me.

The 4th works.. my son has a game at 3pm so hopefully its early enough that we can make it!
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#27 04.13.08 3:53pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

SP wrote:

Cool!

Are there other, equally good places in the region to see evidence and the effects of glacial Lake Nashua?

Yes.  Look at the surficial geologic map I posted and you will see many.  One really good one is the Dexter Drumlin (sorry Lance).  A drumlin is a hill shaped by an advancing glacier.   The Dexter Drumlin is a classic example of a drumlin.

Another is the area Ken mentioned in Bolton which contains a large "kame terrace" and some deltaic deposits of sand and gravel.  The deposits formed as the retreating glacier partially filled valley...the deposits fomed between the ice and the steep valley wall.  If the Bolton Landfill/Transfer Sation on Forbush Mill Road is open, stop in and go all the way up to the back of the property...you are standing on the shore of Glacial Lake Nashua and you get a great perspective on how large the lake was.  As you look out the the West you can see the Davis gravel pit below the landfill...this pit contains a huge deposist over 100 feet thick of the kame terrace deposits.  Some of the deposits fotmed when the lake was there and some were "reworked" by streams and meltwater after the lake was gone.

SP wrote:

Does Glacial Lake Nashua explain why the northern half of Clinton is mostly sandy, and the southern half of Clinton is mostly rocky?

The glaciers and the lake are certainly the agents responsible for the deposits of the sediments but the original topography dictates why certain deposist formed where they did.

SP wrote:

Is the Dry Prairie Bluff at the end of Mount View Drive a glacial formation?

Yes, that is the same Kame Terrace deposit found at the Bolton Landfill and old Bolton Airport.

SP wrote:

Is there anything unique about the bedrock of southern Clinton that explains why the dam is pinned there?

The dam location is really a large fault scarp that separate the intrusive igneous "granitic" rocks that form the Acre, and the metasedimentary "phyllite" and "quartzite" the form the northern portion of the Town.  All of the rocks formed during the Devonian Period known as "The Age of Fishes" around 400 million years ago.  The dark slate-like phyllites in the area were originally ocean mud deposits while the quartzites were beach sands.  The granites were deep magmas that cooled slowly forming the large feldspar crystals.

SP wrote:

The Acre, Cedar Hill, Burdett Hill, and Woodruff Heights all show evidence of ledge, which might explain why they rise so high above the riverbed; do you have any idea how Greeley Hill was formed?

Greely Hill appears to have formed as a large delta of sand a gravel on the shore of Glacial Lake Nashua.  A delta forms when a muddy or sediment filled river or stream enters a calm body of water and drops its sediment load at the river mouth.  The classic forset beds (thin layers of sand and gravel tilted at about a 45 degree angle) which indicate a delta, could be seen in the old Bates gravel pit in Lancaster...before a crop of house grew in there.

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#28 04.13.08 4:31pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

JoelF wrote:
Ken wrote:
JoelF wrote:

So that would be one of the following:
May 4th
May 18th
May 25th
Any date better for others?

Personally, I can do the 4th and the 25th, but not until 1pm or so, as I work Sunday mornings. May 18th is the Clinton Greenway Conservation Trust's Annual River Walk (also a great hike for anyone interested), which I will be helping with.

At this point it looks like the 4th is best for me.

Sounds good also.

Early afternoon is good as well.


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#29 04.16.08 4:45pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

JoelF wrote:

At this point it looks like the 4th is best for me.

So I have told a couple of people about this but want to confirm date/time before I go blabbing any more.  So we are looking at the 4th of May (Sunday) at what time? 1? 2?

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#30 04.16.08 4:48pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

I can do 1:00 PM on the 4th.

Ken and Phil...you guys in?


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#31 04.16.08 5:20pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

I'm in, with boys!

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#32 04.16.08 5:57pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

What are the kids' ages? Mine are 5 and 6 and love to hike.


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#33 04.16.08 6:17pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

SP wrote:

I'm in, with boys!

Send me into the woods with my teenagers? Someone may not come out!


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#34 04.16.08 6:32pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

JoelF wrote:

Ken and Phil...you guys in?

Confirmed, and Moe will be joining us as well.

Since this has been in my head, I took a walk out there yesterday.


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#35 04.16.08 8:25pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

SJT wrote:

What are the kids' ages? Mine are 5 and 6 and love to hike.

Mine are 5 & 7 .. We have a game at 3pm so may go in with everyone and find our own way out if pressing for time..

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#36 04.16.08 9:49pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

Julie wrote:

We have a game at 3pm so may go in with everyone and find our own way out if pressing for time..

I think you'll have time. The hike to Forty Caves is twenty minutes or so, without stopping to enjoy North Brook.


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#37 04.16.08 11:53pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

Mine are 7 and 9- and I'll have to check the little league schedule as well, come to think of it.

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#38 04.17.08 7:24am

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Re: 40 Caves ?

oooh ... I'm in too -- with my 5- and 7-year olds. Oh, and a husband. :-)

Thanks, Joel. I'm excited to do this!

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#39 04.17.08 9:14am

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Re: 40 Caves ?

SJT wrote:

What are the kids' ages? Mine are 5 and 6 and love to hike.

I will probably bring my older two which are 6 and 3...but the 3 yr old can keep-up with the rest.

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#40 04.17.08 9:17am

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Re: 40 Caves ?

Christine Q wrote:

oooh ... I'm in too -- with my 5- and 7-year olds. Oh, and a husband. :-)

Thanks, Joel. I'm excited to do this!

We can't wait...it's a fun place.  I'll bring along some geologic maps for everyone to look at.


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#41 04.17.08 10:13am

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Re: 40 Caves ?

Joel,  how long does it usually take?  I would love to get out there with my girls, but have a 12:30 game.

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#42 04.17.08 1:46pm

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Jim, looks like everyone is planning to meet at 1pm...


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#43 04.17.08 2:08pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

Can someone be specific with me on exactly where we will meet?

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#44 04.17.08 4:15pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

Christine, the trailhead on Lancaster Road in Berlin, right near you guys.

Travel up Bolton Road in Clinton, and go like you are headed to The Bolton Roadhouse. Before you get there, turn right onto McNulty Road, which changes to Lancaster Road once you cross the line into Berlin. About a mile or so (maybe even less than that), you'll see the trailhead on the right.


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#45 04.17.08 4:30pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

JimMcD wrote:

Joel,  how long does it usually take?  I would love to get out there with my girls, but have a 12:30 game.

It's a big area but you can see lots of cool stuff right of the road...once you cross the RR tracks which are less than 100 yrds into the woods....so if you only have a half hour or so you could still see quite a bit.


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#46 04.17.08 4:32pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

Christine Q wrote:

Can someone be specific with me on exactly where we will meet?

Go past the Clinton Fish and Game and it's on the right as you are heading toward Berlin....Ken's directions work as well tongue


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#47 04.17.08 6:43pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

JoelF wrote:

It's a big area but you can see lots of cool stuff right of the road...once you cross the RR tracks which are less than 100 yrds into the woods....so if you only have a half hour or so you could still see quite a bit.

I was thinking more along the lines of catching up if the game finished up early enough.

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#48 04.17.08 10:00pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

So does this excursion qualify as the first unofficial ClintonMass.com discussion forums meetup? 8)


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#49 04.17.08 10:05pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

Ken wrote:

So does this excursion qualify as the first unofficial ClintonMass.com discussion forums meetup? 8)

I think so.  Oddly, I thought it would have occurred years ago at the Old T's.


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#50 04.17.08 10:09pm

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Re: 40 Caves ?

I notice two parking areas. Is it the one with SVT sign, or the one a bit more south?


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